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JEFFERY EPSTEIN

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June 18, 2019

12:57 p.m.

Assistant United States Attorney

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Acting Grand Jury Reporter

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IB c:lled as a witness, having been duly sworn by
the Foreperson of the Grand Jury, was examined and
testified as follows:

BY MS. [JIN

Q. Good afternoon Special Agent [ER
A. Good afternoon.
0. Could you please state and spell your full name

for the record?

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Q. Where do you currently work?

A. The FBI.

0. What is your title there?

A. Special Agent.

Q. How long have you worked as a special agent for
the FBI?

A. For over two years.

Q. Where are you currently assigned?

A. The Violent Crimes Against Children squad.

Q. What are your duties and responsibilities as a

special agent on that squad?
A. I work child exploitation and human trafficking

matters. We also work international and parental

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kidnappings.

i. Have vou participated in an investigation of
Jeffrey Epstein and his associates?

A. Yes.

Qo. Have you spoken with other people, including other
law enforcement cfficers, about this investigation?

A. Yes.

i. Have vou reviewed reports and documents prepared
by others regarding this case?

A. Yes.

i. Is your testimony today based in part of those
conversations with other law enforcement officers and
documents that you reviewed?

A. Yes.

MS. Jl Sc ladies and gentlemen, some of the
testimony that you're going to hear today will include
hearsay. As you know, that means that the witness will not
be testifving solely from her own observations, but that
she'll also be reporting what others have told her and what
she has read in reports and documents prepared by others.

Hearsay evidence is admissible in these grand jury
proceedings and you're free to rely on it in determining
whether there is probable cause to indict any proposed
defendants, if we end up returning to present a proposed

indictment.

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If, however, you would like to hear the testimony
of any other witness, vou have the right to request it and
we will make reasonable efforts to bring that witness before
Vou.

BY M5. [RR
Q. So Special Agent [MM T'm placing in front of
vou what's been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 1. Do wou

recognize that?

A. Yes.
0. What is that?
Fi It's a presentation that was prepared to assist in

testifying today.

Qo. And did you participate in preparing that exhibit?
A. Yes.

Qo. And would it assist you in testifying today?

A. Yes.

i. Okay. So we'll make that part of the record for

today. Let me begin by just asking vou a few questions
about Jeffrey Epstein and what you've learned.
Can you tell us, how old is Jeffrey Epstein?
Fi He is 66,
Qo. Based on open source reporting, what have you
learned about Jeffrey Epstein's professional background?
A, He's a wealthy individual that has a background as

a money manager, background in finance, working in

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investments.

i. Iz that what's been published and you reported
about him?

A. Yes.

Qo. Curing the course of your investigation, have you

learned where Epstein maintains residences?

A. Yes,
0. Where does he have residences?
o. He has a residence here in Manhattan, along with

Palm Beach, Virgin Islands and New Mexico.

0. Does he maintain an address in Manhattan located
at 9 East Tlst Street?

A. Yes.

0. If we could turn to slide 2. Does that fairly and
accurately depict the residence?

A. Yes.

i. Could you please describe that property for the

Grand Jury?

A. It's a multi-story residence. It's reportedly the
largest residence in Manhattan. It's right near Central
Park,

Qo. Does Epstein also maintain an address in Palm

Beach, Florida, located at 358 El Brillo Way?
A. Yes,

io. Turning to slide 3, does that fairly and

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accurately depict that residence?

A. Yes.

0. Could you please describe that property for the
Grand Jury?

I. It's a villa in Palm Beach, right on the water,
has an in-ground pool along with a guest residence or
apartment connected to it.

i. I want to turn now and talk to you about some of
the witnesses you've interviewed during vour investigation.

During the course of this investigation have you
participated in interviews with an individual named ||}
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A. Yes.

0. For today's purposes I'm just going to refer to

her as |iJ- About how many times have you interviewed

A. We've spoken to her approximately five times.

2. Turning to the next slide. Are these photographs
A. Yes.

0. Did she tell you approximately how old she was

when both of these photographs were taken?
A. Yes.
0. What did she tell you?
A. The photo on the left she was approximately 13

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vears old, and the photo on the right she would have been 17

years old.

Q. What is I date of birth?

Qo. In addition to your participation in interviews
with |S, have you also reviewed reports from other law
enforcement officers who've interviewed ||:

A. Yes.

2. And is your testimony today based on both your
review of those reports and also vour personal participation
in interviews with [jjj:

A. Yes.

FOREFERSON: Can you speak up a little bit more?
Okay, thanks.
BY M5. |

io. Okay. B50 based on vour participation in this

investigation, have you learned where I was living when

she was about 14 years old?

A. Yes.

i. Where was she living?

A. She was living in | .

Qo. Was she living with her parents?
I. No, not at that time.

0. Why not?

A. She had a difficult home life.

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2. Was she going to school?

Fi She had started and dropped out.

0. About when did she drop out of school?

A, The beginning of her freshman year, a few months

into her freshman year, approximately.

io. And at about this time how was she supporting
herself financially, in general?

A. She worked different jobs. She worked in catering
halls, as a waitress in restaurants and in clubs.

Q. Did there come a time when [| learned about
Jeffrey Epstein?

A. Yes.

Qo. How did that first happen?

B. She met a girl named I who told her that she
could make money if she massaged this rich guy.

Q. And when she heard that from I how did she

respond?
Fi She wanted to make money, so she agreed.
0. What did she agree to do?
Fi She agreed to go to his residence and massage him.

0. Did he recall about how old she was when she
first went to his residence?
A, She said she was approximately 14.
Q. If [| was born in 1988, would she have been 14
in the year 20027
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ho. Yes.
0. And just to confirm, the date of birth listed on

this slide, is that [ date of birth?

A. Yes.

Qo. So you testified that she ultimately went to his
residence, Which residence was that?

A, The one here in Manhattan.

i. About how many times did she go to Epstein's

residence?

IL. Multiple times, dozens.

i. During the time she went to Epstein's residence in
Manhattan, did she tell you about what typically would
happen when she would go to his house?

A. Yes.

Qo. What are some of the things that she told you
about what happened there?

A, So the first time she went she went with [|
And she entered the residence; they waited in the office
until they were escorted upstairs to the massage room. Once
in the massage room Jeffrey Epstein came into the room, he
laid down on the table,

Once he was on the table a girl massaged each
side. And then |] would be asked to leave the room,
BB culd stay. From there, once he turned over he

wanted his nipples pinched while he masturbated. Things

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progressed each additional time she went. She would have to
massage him while she was in her panties or without
underwear on or any clothes on. And then eventually he
would touch her. He touched her breasts, her genital area
and then used a vibrator on her genital area.

Q. Did | tell vou how much she was paid for each

of these sessions?

A. Yes.

0. How was she paid?

A. $300.

i. Was she paid in cash?

A. Yes.

Qo. Did she remember anything in particular about the

way he paid her in cash?

A, She was paid in hundred dollar bills.

Q. During your interviews with [jj what was her
demeanor like when she would describe to you how Epstein
touched her during these sessions?

A. She became more emotional. The more she had to
talk about some of the worse things that happened to her she
became upset about it.

Q. You wee explaining earlier that |] said she
was approximately 14 when this began. Did she tell you
whether she ever had any conversations with Epstein about
her age?

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A. Yas,
i. What did she tell you?
oh. She said that she told him she was 14.

Q. Have you asked [i what Epstein's house was

like?
A. Yes.
io. How did she describe it to you?
A. She gave a lot of detail about the house. She

talked about the office having a round desk in it, she
talked about the massage room had the massage table, it had
lotions, it had moisturizers. On the walls there were
sketches or paintings of naked females on them. And she
also talked about a library in his residence that looked

like it was something from out of Beauty and the Beast.

Qo. Is that how she described it to you?
A. Yes.
i. So we've been talking about what vou'we learned

during interviews with [jj Just to take a step back,

how did you first establish contact with her?

Fi My partner and I located her at her residence.

0. What did she say to you when you first approached
her?

A, She was very nervous when we first talked to her.

And she told us that she was 16, she went and massaged

Epstein and he masturbated and he didn't touch her.

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0. And again, what was her demeanor like when she
said this to you?

A, she was very nervous. [NG
BEE. che was just very anxious while we

were speaking with her.

io. Were you able to conduct a full interview of her
at that time?

A. Mo.

2. At a later point were you able to conduct full and
thorough interviews with her?

A. Yes.

0. And once you finally were able to interview her

did you ask her why she said that when you first approached

her?
A. Yes.
io. What did she explain to you?
A. She told us that she didn't even really remember

what she had told us initially because she was so nervous,
she was so worried. She was really concerned that 1f she
talked to us she was going to go to jail, so she was really
worried about being in trouble.

Qo. Did there come a point in time when Epstein asked
BB tc bring other girls to him?

A. Yes.

io. What happened?

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Fi She did. She reached out to other girls that she
knew to see their interest.

Q. I want to ask you a little bit about what [jj] =
told you about her role in bringing other girls to Epstein.

Let me first just ask, in general, how would she

find new girls?

A. She would meet them through friends of friends.
She met them in clubs, different social settings.

0. In general, what kinds of things would she tell
them about what to expect?

Fi She told them that they would have to give a
massage either with their underwear on or nude; that he

would want his nipples touched and that he would masturbate.

0. Would she tell them anything about payment?
A. Yes.

0. What would she tell them?

A She'd tell them that they would get 3300 for

massaging him.

Q. Did ] have a sense, in general, of the ages
of the ages of the girls that she brought to Epstein?

Fi She estimated around approximately 13, ld-year
olds to 17-year olds. They were mostly underage girls that
she brought. She did bring a couple that were 18,

0. Approximately how long did she participate in
bringing girls to Epstein?

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Fi Approximately three years of the three years that
she went.

0. So approximately how old was she when this
stopped?

A. Seventeen.

io. During that time period, over those three years

approximately, did she have a sense of about how many girls
she brought over the years to Epstein's house?

Fa She estimated approximately 20 to 50 girls.

2. Did she work with anyone else in recruiting girls
for Epstein?

A. Yes.

0. Who did she work with?

RB. Another girl her age, |} JJ (ch) -

B. She was a friend of [jjj's that was living with
her at the time.

Q. Turning to slide 5. Did jj} provide you with
this photograph?

A. Yes.

0. And what did she explain to you about this
photograph?

A, That this is -- that that's [Jj on the left and
that's il on the right. They were approximately 16-
vears old at that time the picture was taken.

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0. And during this time period, around the time when
this photograph was taken when they were approximately 16,
is that when they were working recruiting girls for Epstein?

A. Yes.

0. In general, when ll] would find a girl, how
would she go about bringing the girl to Epstein?

A, She would call who she believed was his -- or she
assumed was his assistant, a woman named lB

0. Why would she call?

BE. she would call |] and say, I have a girl who
can work, and they would schedule that appointment.

Q. In conversations with I is that how they
refer to these massage sessions, as "work"?

A. Yes.

Q. Cnce the session was scheduled, would I go
with the girl to the house?

A. Yes.

0. What would she do, in general, once she brought
the girl to the house?

Fi So the first time she would take a girl they would
go to the residence, they'd walt in the office until they
could be escorted upstairs. The first time she would go
with a girl, she would go up with her so the girl felt
comfortable and kind of knew what to do. Additional wisits

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massage upstairs.

Q. Did Epstein ever give feedback to [Jj about the
girls that she was bringing?

A. Yes.

Qo. Would he ever tell her that he particularly liked
or didn't like a specific girl?

A. Yes.

i. And would he ever tell her to bring a specific
girl back or to not bring her back for other sessions?

A. Yes.

i. Over time did she notice any patterns in the girls
that Epstein seemed to like?

A. She did.

0. What did she notice?

A, That he liked young, petite, natural girls.

io. What did she mean by "natural girls"?

A. That girls that were under 18, weren't completely
developed.

2. Did she recall any particular expressions that

Epstein would use to express his preferences when he was
giving her feedback about girls that she had brought?

A, I'm sorry. Say that again.

Q. In your conversations with  P did she recall
any particular expressions or phrases that Epstein would use

when he was explaining what girls he did or didn't like?

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IL. Yeah. He would tell her, vou know what I like.
If she brought somecne he didn't like he'd be like, come on,
vou know, you know what I like.

o. What was her understanding of what that meant?

A, She understood that to mean girls who were under
18.

Q. Did ll tell vou how much Epstein paid her for
recruiting other girls?

A. Yes.

2. And how much did he pay her?

A. 5300.

0. And was that for each new girl or for every
session with the new girl when she brought her in?

A, That was for each new girl and every session that
she went with whatever girl.

io. We talked a little bit about phone calls between
BE =0< J but I want to circle back and just talk
about that in a little bit more detail.

Can you explain for the Grand Jury, in general,

how would [il schedule these sessions?

A. She would schedule the sessions through [EE .
I would either contact her on her phone or she would
reach out to [jij and say she could work.

Q. And just to be clear, did |] ever call I:

A. Yes.

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0. In sum and substance, what are some of the kinds
of things that she would discuss on the phone with [jj]:

Fi When she'd be available to massage him. They'd
talk about what girls. [Jj would ask her, do you have a
new girl, things along those lines.

Q. Rpproximately how old was [ll when she stopped

going to Epstein's house?

A. Around 17.
2. Did she explain to vou why she stopped going?
Fi She said that the older she got she was having a

more difficult time finding younger girls that he preferred.
And at that time she also was working at a café.

Qo. All right. S50 I want to switch gears and talk
about another witness that you've interviewed. Before I do,
I just want to be clear. We've been talking about some of
the things that [ii has explained to you in your
interviews.

When vou'wve been describing what she's told vou,
were those the exact words that she used in every interview
or just the sum and substance of what she's relayed to you?

A. Sum and substance.

Qo. Curing the course of this investigation have you
participated in interviews with an individual named
I

A. Yes,

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2. So for today's purposes I'm just going to refer to
her as lll. can vou tell us, how many times have you
interviewed || R:

A. Twice,

Qo. Have you also reviewed reports from previous law

enforcement interviews with Courtney?

i. Is your testimony today based both on your review
of those reports and also your personal participation and
interviews with ||| NGG:

bh. Yes,

0. Okay. If we could turn to the next slide, slide

6. Is this a photograph of [EE "

Q. Approximately how old was ||] wher this
photograph was taken, if vou know?

A. Approximately 19.

Q. What is I: date of birth?

i. Based on your participation and interviews with
BE: ave you learned where she was living when she was
about 14 or 157

A. Yes.

0. Where was she living?

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0. Was that in the West Palm Beach area in Florida?
bh. Yes.
0. You mentioned that she was living with a friend.

To be clear, was she living with her parents during that

time?
A. No.
io. Why not?
A, She had a difficult home life.
0. Was she in school at that time?
Fi She had started high school and dropped out.

Q. Did there come a time when [ learned about

Jeffrey Epstein?

A. Yes.
0. How did she learn about Epstein?
A, She and ij were at a party together and another

girl their age had apprcached them, telling them that they

could make 5200 to massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach.

0. How did she respond when she heard that?
A. She agreed to do it.
i. Did she end up going to Epstein's residence in

Falm Beach, Florida?

A. Yes.

Qo. About how many times did she go to the residence?
A, Approximately 60 times.

io. When she first started going to the house, did she

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ever go there with any of her friends?

A. Yes.

0. Who did she go there with?

A, She went with ||} znd other friends
throughout the additional times.

Q. was [EE =rproximately the same age as
EE

A. Yes.

Q. Did | recall approximately how old she was

when she first went to Epstein's house?

A. Yes,

0. Did she remember the exact age?

A. No.

0. What did she tell you about what she was able to

remember about how old she was?

A, She said she recalled it was the summer before her
9th grade year, but that she could have been 14, 15. She
Was unsure.

0. In interviews previously, had she mentioned that

it's possible she might have been 167

A. Yes.

Qo. But was her most recent memory that she met him at
approximately 14 or 15, but that she wasn't sure?

A. Yes.

Q. So if [ was born in 1987, would she have

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been 14 or 15 in about the year 20027

A. Yes,

Q. All right. During the times that [jij wert to
Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, did she explain to vou

what would typically happen when she went to Epstein's

house?
A. Yes,
0. What did she describe to you about, in general,

the kinds of things that would happen when she would go to
his house?

Fi S50 she explained that she would go to the
residence, she'd be escorted upstairs. Sometimes it was
with a friend. Each girl would massage a side of Epstein,
one girl would leave. Things that happen in the room
BB ccscribed that Epstein would want his nipples
touched, he would masturbate and he would touch her. She
said that usually the massages were done when she was only
in her underwear.

2. Has she ever described Epstein using a vibrator or

a sex toy?

A. Yes.

0. What did she describe?

A, She said that he used a vibrator on her genital
area.

io. During these massages would Epstein ever instruct

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her to use lotions?

A. Yes.

0. Did she identify what brand of lotions Epstein
used?

A, Bath and Body Works.

io. You explained that when she would go to the house
she would either go upstairs or be escorted upstairs. Can
vou explain for the Grand Jury, when she would arrive at the
house was she ever greeted by anyone?

Fi She was usually greeted by Epstein's assistant,

Q. And did [jj ever escort her upstairs to the

massage room?

A. Yes,

Q. pid | tell vou what she was paid each time

that she went to Epstein's house?
A. Yes.

0. What did she tell you?

A. She was paid $5200.

i. How was she paid the $2007

Fi Hundred dollar bills.

Qo. Lid there come a point in time when Epstein
BB tc bring other girls to him?

A. Yes.

io. Did she agree to do that?

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A, She did.

Q. I want to ask you a little bit about ||} =
role in recruiting other girls to bring to Epstein. Can you
explain for the Grand Jury, in general, how would she find
new girls to bring to Epstein?

A. She found them at parties or in the neighborhood
she was living at the time with |. She described it as
a trailer park environment that she brought girls from. But
some were school, when she was still there, and then just
parties.

i. In general, what kinds of things would she tell
the girls about what to expect?

A, Initially she told them that they were just going
to give a massage and get paid.

0. And did she have a sense, in general, about the
ranges of age of girls that she would bring to the house
over time?

Fi Under 1B. She did say she brought a couple that
were over 18 and he wasn't happy about it.

i. I'm going to ask you a little bit more about that
in a second. But just so we're clear, was her sense, in
general, that of the girls she brought to the residence over
time that most of them she thought were under 187

A. Yes.

io. Approximately how many girls did she estimate that

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she had brought over the years, approximately?
A. Dozens.
0. In general, what would happen when she would bring

the girl to Epstein?

A, She would go with the girl. They'd be escorted
upstairs. The first time she went with a girl they would
massage him together. Once Epstein flipped over to when he

was laying on his back he would tell jj] to leave and
the other girl would stay and massage while ||] went
downstairs.

Q. Did Epstein ever give [J feedback on the
girls that she had brought?

A. Yes.

0. Would he ever tell her whether he liked or didn't
like a specific girl?

A. Yes.

i. Would he ever ask her to bring a certain girl back
or to not bring another girl back?

A. Yes.

i. Did she notice over time any patterns in the girls

that Epstein seemed to like?

A. Yes.

0. What did she notice?

A, That he liked young, young girls, young petite
girls.

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2. And did she notice whether he appeared to have any
preferences in the race of the girls that she was bringing?

A. Yes.

o. What did she tell you?

A, He did not like dark skinned or black girls.

io. Did she recall him using any particular

expressions when he would convey his preferences to her?

A. Yes.

0. What would he say?

IL. He told her, you know what I like,

i. What was her understanding of what that meant?
Fi She understood that to mean that he liked under

18.
0. When ] first went to Epstein's house, did

she tell Epstein that she was older than she really was?

A. Yes.

i. Why did she tell him she was older than she really
was?

A. One of the girls told her to say that she was

older than she was.

0. When she started recruiting girls, did she tell
them to say that they were older?

A. Yes.

0. Lid there come a point in time when she stopped

giving girls that instruction?

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A. Yes.
i. Why did she stop doing that?
on. She said because it didn't matter. He didn't care

how old they were as long as they weren't over 18,

Qo. Why did she think he didn't care about whether the
girls were over 1B or not?

A. Because she sald he had preferred under 18 and

that's what he wanted her to bring.

2. Why did she think that that was what he preferred?
IL. Because that's what he told her, vou know what I
like. And she understood that to mean under 185.

Q. pid [J tell vou how much Epstein paid her
for recruiting other girls?

A. Yes.

Qo. What did she tell you?

A. $200.

i. Was that for each new girl or for every time she
orought in?

A. Every time she brought the girl.

Q. And did | exrlain to you how she would
schedule these sessions with Epstein?

A. Yes.

0. How did that work?

A, So she would be contacted by |||] JJ cz she
would call | tc schedule appointments.

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Q. What was her understanding of who a

Fi She understood her to be his assistant.

0. In general, in sum and substance, what would they
discuss on those phone calls?

A. She would tell | what the girls looked like,
she would tell them when they would be available. She'd
also tell them when they wouldn't be available, based on
their school or after curricular activities -- extra
curricular.

Q. During these calls how would [Jj refer to the
sessions that they were scheduling?

A, As work,

0. Can you give us an example of how that would be
used in a sentence?

A. That she would just say: Are vou available to
work, or, do you have a girl that's available to work.

2. During these phone calls about scheduling, did
Sarah ever say where she was calling from?

A. Yas,

0. What did a remember about that?

A. I recalled I saying that she was
calling from New York and they'd be coming down to West Palm
Beach.

io. Okay. Switching gears. Have vou become aware

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that in a separate investigation of Jeffrey Epstein, a
witness said in about 2005 that she'd recruited minor
victims for Epstein, but that that she'd also brought some
girls who were over 18 and that Epstein told her, quote,
"the younger the better." And that she also said, quote,
"he likes the girls that are between the ages of 18 and 20"?

A. Yes.

i. All right. Switching topics. Have you become
aware that in 2005 police officers from the Palm Beach
Police Department executed a search warrant at Epstein's
house at the El Brillo Way address in Palm Beach?

A. Yes.

Qo. And have you reviewed some of the materials that

were seized during the search?

A. Yes.

io. Did they find a massage table and sex toys?

A. Yes.

2. Did they find any phone messages?

A. Yes.

i. Turning to slide 7. Could you please explain for

the Grand Jury what we're looking at here?

A. This is a room in his Palm Beach residence. Down
here on the close right corner you're going to see message
pads.

io. So were those note pads for taking phone messages?

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A. Yes.

i. And in the message pads was there just one message
per page or were there four, laid out two on top and two on
the bottom?

A, There were four, two on top and two on the bottom.

io. The message pad that we're looking at in this
photograph, was that the only set of messages that were

recovered from the residence?

A. No.
0. All right. So let's talk a little bit about some
of the phone messages that were found in the house. Let's

turn to slide 8.
Could you walk us through what we're locking at
here?

A, So this message 1s dated September 30th, 2004.
BB: nane is on it and in the message it says: She
has a female for Mr. JE,

2. So given the date on this message, if this message

had been left by [ B given her date of birth,

would she have been about lé-years old when this message was

left?

A. Yes.

Qo. Let's turn to slide 9%. What are we looking at
here?

A. This is a message that's dated November 8th, 2004.

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BE i: on the message and in the message it says: I

have a female for him.

0. Do you recognize this particular phone number?
A. Yes.
Qo. Based on your review of law enforcement reports,

has | Previously identified this as her phone

number?
A. Yes.
2. Based on the date on this particular phone message

and I date of birth, would she have been about

17 when this message was left?

A. Yes.

0. Let's turn to slide 10.
some of the excerpts of the phone message.

page of phone messages?

A. Yes.

i. And do they all have dates on them?

A. Mo.

0. Which one has a date on it?

Fi Upper left-hand side.

0. And is that November 11th, 20047

A. Yes.

Qo. So can you tell when these messages were

approximately left?
A. Approximately, ves.

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0. But beyond the fact that one of them is dated,
you're not sure?

A. Correct.

o. Ckay. Can you walk us through what we see here on
this message pad?

A. So bottom right |S is listed. On the
top right, [ll (rh) is listed, and it states: Wondering
if you want her to work tomorrow and what time.

Q. So the message on the bottom marked ]

doesn't have a date on it. But if these messages were left
in approximately November of 2004, based on ||} dj) RED '
date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this

message was left?

Qo. All right. Turning to slide 11. What do we see
here?

A. So this message was dated January 13th, 2005.
BE ic listed on the message, along with her phone
number and it just states: Please call her.

i. Based on your review of law enforcement reports,

has [I reviously identified this phone number as

peeing one of her phone numbers during that time period?

0. Based on the date on this message and ||j}}}}QbJJE

BE date of birth, would ] have been about

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17-years old when this message was left?

A. Yes.

0. Let's turn to slide 12. Can you tell us what
we're looking at here?

A, This message is dated January 259th, 2005.
BE: name is on this message along with her phone
number, and in the message it says: I have a female for
him,

Q. Based on the date of this message and a
EE date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this
message was left?

A. Yes.

Qo. Let's turn to slide 13, This message is a bit
more faint, so if you could just walk the Grand Jury through
this message.

B. So this message has [il listed on it along
with her phone number. And in the message it says: She has

a female friend for you, please call back as soon as

possible,
i. Iz there a date on this message?
A. No.
Qo. So earlier you were describing that in interviews

with ||| she explained that she was living with a

friend named a at the time she first encountered
Epstein, is that right?

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A. Yes.

i. And did she explain whether she ever went to
Epstein's house with [ji]?

A. She did.

Qo. And did you find in your review of the phone

messages in Epstein's house, any messages left by a person

named  B

A. Yes.

2. Let's talk about a few of those messages. If you
could turn to slide 14, please. What do we see here?

Fi This is a message in March of 2005. It lists

BB cn it. And in the message: She will be here at four

p.m. but she needs talk to you before that. Flease call her
back.

Qo. Turing to slide 15. What do we see here?

A. This is a message dated September 8th of 2005.

BB is listed on it along with her new phone number, [jij

0. Now, do you know one way or the other whether this
specific message was left by || EGTEEGNG:
A. No.

Q. Are you familiar with EE date of

A. Yes.

0. And if this message had been left by [| GT

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based on the date of the message and ||} s date of

birth, would she have been about 177

A. Yes.

o. Turning to slide 16. What do we see here?

A. This message is dated March 18th of 2005. |
is listed on it along with a phone number and the message
says: Please call her.

i. Again, same as before, do vou know one way or the

other whether this specific message was left by ||}

Q. But based on the date on this message and [jj]
BE = date of birth, if it had been left by |S
would she have been about 16 on that date?

A. Yes.

io. Turning to slide 17. Dees this appear to be

another message left by someone named [jz

A. Yes.

0. What's the text of the message?

Fi She can be tomorrow here from two p.m. to
whenever.

Qo. What's the date on the message?

A, Ch, sorry. 3-18-05.

0. Same as before, do vou know one way or the other

whether this was left I

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A. No.

0. Based on her date of birth and the date of this
message, 1f she had left this message would she have been
about 167

A. Yes.

io. And finally, turning to slide 18. This is a bit

faint so 1f you could walk the Grand Jury through it?

BE. So this message has [jjj's name on it along with
the phone number, and in the message it says: Has girl for
tonight.

i. Iz there a date on this message?

A. No.

Qo. In your review of these phone messages, did vou

find any other phone messages that appeared to fit this

pattern of scheduling with girls?

A. Yes,
i. Okay. Let's talk about just a few of those.
Let's turn to slide 19, What do we see here?
A. This message 1s September of 2005. It has a woman

named [il cn it. In the message it says: Cancel [JiR

she would like to speak to you, I believe, about college.
Along with a phone number.
Should T schedule anyone else?
Q. And so the name FE we'll talk about that a

little bit in a few minutes. But just for present purposes,

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have vou become aware during this investigation that during

this time period Jeffrey Epstein had an assistant named

A. Yes.
Qo. Turning to slide 20. What does this message say?

A. This is a message that has ee (ph) on it, and

in the message it says: Wants to work if vou are in.
i. Turning to slide £21. What does this message say?
B. This message has [ij or it and the message
states: Is it okay if [jj will come at five.
i. And finally, turning to slide 22, What does this

message say’?

A. This message has [| and [ (ph) on it. In

the message it states: They are available all weekend and
maybe [ll toc. 2nd signed, | (-h) -

Q. Have you interviewed a person named [jj during
this investigation?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you know whether or not that's the same I
listed on this message?

A. No.

Qo. In a minute I want to ask you about your
interviews of [J But before I do that I just want to
ask you a few more questions about ||

Did there come a point in time, in approximately
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2007, when |} learned that Epstein was being

investigated by State authorities for his conduct with

minors?
A. Yes,
0. How did she learn that?
A. She had seen it, that there was an investigation

into him. And then she had reached out to ] and

ne told her that if she didn't talk she'd be taken care
of.
0. And were those the exact words used or just the

sum and substance of that conversation?

Fi Sum and substance.

0. And do you remember, as we sit here today, whether
she said that she called I or whether I called
her?

A. I don't recall the specifics, but there was a

telephone communication.

Q. 2nd finally, when you met with [ what was
her demeanor like when she discussed her role in recruiting
minors for Jeffrey Epstein?

Fi I'm sorry. Can you say it again?

Q. When you would talk with a about her role
in recruiting minors for Jeffrey Epstein, what was her
demeanor like?

A. She became very emotional when she talked about

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that, very upset about her role in bringing other girls to
him.

0. Finally I want to talk to you about one last
witness that you've interviewed. During the course of this
investigation, have you participated in interviews with an
individual named [SEEN

A. Yes.

i. For today's purposes I'm just going to refer to
her as il. Can vou tell us, how many times have you
interviewed [jl

Fi Twice,

0. Have vou also reviewed reports from previous law
enforcement interviews with ["~

A. Yes.

Qo. Is your testimony today based on both your review
of those reports and also your own interviews with [|jjjjl}z

A. Yes.

2. Let's turn to slide 23. Are these photographs of
TR

A. Yes.

0. Did she tell you about how old she was when these
photographs were taken?

A, She said that she was approximately 16 or 17 years
old when these photos were taken.

0. What is her date of birth?

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A.
Q.
was about 17-years old?

A.

A.
oJ.
about Jeffrey Epstein?
bh.
Q.

A.

Sorry.

massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach, and she agreed to do

that.

J.
residence in Palm Beach, Florida?
Lb.
Q.
bo.
J.
to Epstein's house?
Lb.

2.

And have you learned where she was living when she

Yes,

Where was she living?

In West Palm Beach area.

Was she in school at the time?
Yes.

Did there come a point in time when [jij learned

Yes,
How did that happen?
One of her friends told her about a girl -- I'm

Someone told her about being able to make money to

Did she ultimately end up going to Epstein's

Yes.
Approximately how many times?
Multiple times.

Approximately how old was she when she first went

Approximately 16 or 17 years old.

During the times that she went there, did she

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explain to you what would typically happen when she went to
Epstein's house?

A. Yes.

o. What are some of the things that she has described
to you that occurred while she was at the residence?

A. She talked about having to massage him without her
clothes on, in just her panties or nude. She talked about
having to play with his nipples while he masturbated and
that he touched her breasts, her genital area and used a
vibrator on her genital area.

i. Generally speaking, where would this occur?

Fi In the massage room at the West Palm Beach
residence.

0. Curing these massages, did Epstein ever instruct

her to use lotions?

A. Yes.

0. What kind of lotions?

Fi Bath and Body Works.

2. What has she told you about any payment she

received for these sessions?

I. She said she received 3200.
Qo. How was she paid?
L. Hundred dollar bills.

0. Who would pay her?

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Q. We'll talk a little bit more about ne in a
moment. But let me ask for now, what, if anything, did she
say to you about a conversation she had with Epstein about
her age?

A, She said that she told him she was under 1B and he
made comments to her that if she was 1B he's help her with
her modeling career or when she became 18 he could help her.
He told her that if she was 18 he would've taken her to a
party.

Q. When vou met with ] what was her demeanor
like when she discussed what happened with Epstein during
these sessions?

A, She became upset when she went into further detail
about what occurred.

Qo. When vou say she was "upset," can you just explain
for us a little bit what it was like talking to her about
those experiences?

IL. It was emotional. I mean, there were tears, there
were some tears,

0. Were there some details she wasn't as comfortable
talking about?

A. Yes.

Q. Has [Jl] tcld vou that she's gone through
psychological treatment, in part to cope with her
experiences with Epstein?

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A. Yes.

i. Has she ever been hospitalized relating to those
issues?

A. Yes.

Qo. What was she hospitalized for?

A. Self harm, cutting herself.

io. I want to switch gears and talk about a few

records relating to [i f- If we could turn to slide 24.
What's depicted on this slide?

Fi So this is a calendar page. This was taken from
her senior year school planner. And on this page you can
see she wrote in, Jeffrey, up here on the 9th, and then
Jeffrey's listed on the 239th.

0. Just to give some context. Are these the pages
from October 2004 from her senior year school planner?

A. Yes.

0. And are there listed some of her activities and
events throughout that month?

A. Yes.

Q. In Qctober 2004, would [| have been 177

A. Yes.

Qo. Let's talk just a little bit about the two areas
that you flagged in the circles. So locking at the top
right red circle that's underneath and to the right of the

entry that says, new school. Is Jeffrey written on that

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Saturday, the Sth?

A. Yes.
0. And at the bottom, the circle there that's just
under the entry for homecoming game. Is there an entry for:

Jeffrey comes back?
A. Yes.
Q. Have you talked with [jj about what she would

typically do with the money that she was paid --

A. Yes.

2. —-- when she went to go to Epstein's house?

A. Yes.

0. Just as a reminder, can you explain for us what

she's told you about how she was paid?
A, She said she was paid in hundred dollar bills.

Qo. And who would pay her?

B. Epstein or | N-

i. What would she do with that money?
IL. She'd deposit it in her bank, bank account.
2. Was her memory that she generally did that or that

she did that absolutely every time that she went there?
Fi That she generally did it.
Qo. And has she provided you with copies of records
from her bank account during that time period?
A. Yes.

io. All right. Turning to the next slide. Sorry.

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Before we move on to slide 25. Here on slide 24, The red
circles that are here, are those that you've added to aid
the Grand Jury in spotting those two locations or did [jj]
circle those in her planner?

I. No, those were added.

io. So turning to slide 25. You've testified that
Bl -:cvided you with some of her bank records. What are
we looking at on this slide?

Fa So this is an Cctober 2004 deposit and in it she

deposited two hundred dollar bills and a twenty.

i. If this deposit happened on October 12th, 2004,
would [Jl have been 172

A. Yes.

0. Turning to slide 26. Is this another deposit slip

and this one on November 9th, 20047

A. Yes.

Q. Is this another deposit slip that [jij provided
You?

A. Yes.

i. What, if anything, did you notice about this

deposit slip?

B. It's two —- she deposited 5200.

Qo. Does the deposit slip note what kind of bills she
deposited?

A. Hundreds.

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Q. Based on the date of this deposit, would [|
have been 17 when this happened?

A. Yes.

Q. Did J exrlain to you, in general, how these
sessions with Epstein were scheduled?

A. Yes.

io. What did she explain to vou about how that worked?

BE. That she spoke on the phone with |||} db QJ: ho

would schedule her to work.

Q. What was her understanding of who a

Fi His assistant.

Qo. In general, what kinds of things would they
discuss on the phone call?

A, They'd talk about when she was available, or ||}
would tell her, vou know, that she was coming down to —-
that they were coming down to West Palm Beach.

Q. And did |] ever tell her where she was calling

A. Yeag,
0. What did he remember about that?

A. She recalled |] saying she was calling from New

0. And when she remembered [jj saving she was
calling from Wew York, what was the context in which [jj]

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would explain, in general, in sum and substance why she was
calling from New York?

A, she was telling [jij that they would be arriving
in West Palm Beach on a certain date and to ask her when
she's available.

0. In these phone conversations with | what kind
of terminology did ] typically use to refer to these
sessions?

A, She referred to it as "work."

Q. Did J remember having scheduling calls with

anyone except for [J

A. Yes.

Qo. Did she remember getting calls from anyone else?
A. Yes.

0. What did she remember?

B. She remembered getting calls from || N-

Q. What was her understanding of who [jj] was?

A, That she was another assistant of his.

0. And in sum and substance, what would she talk
about on the phone with [| N:

A. Same things that she talked with ll about,
scheduling.

Q. Does ll still have the cell phone she had as a
teenager during this time period?

A. Yes.

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0. And what kind of phone is it?
A, It's a flip-phone.
Q. Has she shown that phone to you when you've met

with her?

A. Yes.

C. Is there a contact stored in that phone for a |S
— E

A. Yes,

0. and a phone number stored for that contact?

A. Yes,

2. All right. I'm going to talk to you a little bit

about that specific phone number.
Turning to the next slide, to slide 27. What's on
this slide?
A. So this shows who was financially responsible for

this phone number, which 1s Jeffrey Epstein, and 1t shows the

user as | z:scciated with this phone number.

0. Are these subscriber records for the phone number,
EK

A. Yes,

Q. Is that the phone number that's stored in the flip

phone that vou just described that Dainya has?
A. Yes.
0. So in these subscriber records, are these records

maintained by the phone company for that phone number?

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A. Yes.

2. In the top two sections, do those sections explain
who's responsible for the account in terms of billing and
paying for the account?

A. Yes.

Qo. and is Jeffrey Epstein and a Manhattan address
listed in both places?

A. Yes,

0. At the bottom section, under user information, is
there information about the particular phone number and the
user of that phone number?

AB. Yes,

0. So, is the user listed for the |] chone
number listed as EB

A. Yes.
0. and is it listed at the Manhattan address?
A. Yes,

Q. Have you reviewed phone records for [jjij's rhone

number during the time period we've been talking about?

A. Yes.
Q. I'm going to talk to you a little bit about some of
those records. If you could turn to slide 28,

Iz this an excerpt from the phone records for

EE: coll phone?

A. Yes,

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0. On this slide there's an arrow next to the excerpt
and a highlighted portion. Could you just walk the Grand

Jury through that particular line on the record?

A. That was a call that was made on January 3rd at
1:06 p.m. It's [EEE '= number.
Qo. So that's a record of those two phones talking to

cach other on that date and time?

A. Yes,

0. So if this call was between those two phones, on
January 3rd, 2004 (sic), I want to talk about the very next
day, January 4th, 2005. If vou could turn to slide 29.

So the day after that phone call we've just
discussed, has | provided you with a deposit slip for

January 4th, 20057

A. Yes.

Qo. and did she deposit cash that day?

A. Yes,

0. Zhout how much?

A. She deposited about 150, one one-hundred dollar

bill, two twenties and a ten.

Q. So just so we're clear on the timeline. On January

3rd, 2005, ] and I phone numbers were
talking to each other and the very next day |||} GTN
deposited cash?

A. Yes,

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Q. All right. Turning to slide 30. Is this an
excerpt from the phone records for |’ s cell chonez

A. Yes.

Q. Focusing on about halfway down, the highlighted

line, are those records of calls on September 16th, 20047

A. Yes.

0. and what does this record reflect?

A. That a call was made at around 2:08 p.m. on
september 16th between ||| GEGE 2~< INGEN

0. So sticking with this same day, September 16th,

2004, let me ask: Have you reviewed flight records from
Jeffrey Epstein's private jet?

A. Yes.

Q. And do those records log flights that he took on
his private jet?

A. Yes.

Q. And do those records also include flight manifests
that show what individuals were on that flight?

A. Yes.

2. So turning to slide 31. What is the record
excerpted here?

A. So this shows that there was a departure on
September léth from JFK to West Palm Beach and it lists all
the individuals that were on that flight.

Qo. and just to take a step back for context. Can you

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just explain for the Grand Jury what the different fields are
in this record, what kind of a log this is?

A, So this is a flight log. It shows the dates that
he's flown cut, his aircraft has flown out, and shows from
location and to the arrival destination.

Qo. Turning to the field on the far left and going down
to the part where we've put an arrow, does that reflect a
flight on September loth, 20047

A. Yes,

Q. Do you recognize the airport codes to the right of

that that reflect the point of departure and arrival?

A. Yes.

Qo. So what is this particular £light?

A, So this is JFK in New York. PBI is West Palm
Beach.

Qo. In addition to this log of different flights, have

vou also looked at the particular flight manifest for the
September léth, 2004 flight we'we been talking about?

A. Yes.

2. Turning to page 32. Is this the passenger manifest
we've been talking about?

A. Yes.

Qo. Iz this the passenger manifest for the September
16th, 2004 flight we've just talked about?

A. About halfway down to the area where there's a

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circle, is that a circle that we've added for this
presentation?

A. Yes.

0. Is I listed as a passenger on a flight

on September léth, 20047
A.
0.
locations for this flight?
A.
Palm at 10:16 p.m.
0.
back to slide 30. I believe you testified earlier that the
phone call highlighted here is on September 16, 2004 at 2:00
o'clock,
A.
0.
day, would that have been about six hours before that flight
took off from JFE?
A.
0.
tell you that Epstein asked her to bring girls for him?
A.
0.

A.

bring.

Yes.

What are the listed times and departure and arrival

So they departed at 8:05 p.m. and arrived in West

Just so we have the timeline straight. If we could

is that correct?
Yes.

So if this call occurred at 2:00 o'clock on that

Yes.

And in your conversations with [Jj; did she ever

Yes.
What did she tell you about that?

She said that he asked her if she had friends to

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0. And how did she respond?
A, She took two girls.
Q. When you say “she took two girls," did she bring

girls to Epstein's house?

A. Yes.

Qo. Were those girls minors?

A. Yes.

Q. If you could give me just one moment.

special Agent jij have vou told the Grand Jury
everything that you know about this case or have you just
answered the questions that I've asked?

A, I've answered the guestions vou'wve asked.

Qo. When you testified about the documents that you
reviewed or the conversations that you had with others, were
vou testifying to the exact words used or just the substance
of the documents or those conversations?

A, Just to the substance.

Q. And are you willing to return to the Grand Jury if
the Grand Jury has any further questions for you?

A. Yes.

MS. ne Okay. With the Foreperson's permission
I'd ask that the witness be excused.

FOREFERSON. You're excused.

(Witness Excused)

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CERTIFICATE

I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and

accurate transcription, to the best of my skill and ability,

from my electronic notes of this proceeding.

June 1%, 2019

Date
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